Never become, just be.
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Dalvir Gill@Swaran Singh ji,
The easiest and most natural thing. To become something/someone ( even just a parrot reciting or a carbon copy of some Ideal ) effort is needed, ego likes it, ego likes challenge, it’s never satisfied with the ‘Sahaj’, effortlessness.
‘To BE’ is another name for the state of ‘No-Mind’; it’s death to ego. -
Matina Garbotzto BE is enjoying the moment… -
Rosie Mannto BE….yes enjoying the moment….or just BEING here and now… -
Shumita Didi Sandhuthe hardest and the easiest.. -
Dalvir Gill
Shumita Ji! I was just speaking in relative terms, otherwise you are right, it’s both or none. Buddhahood is what we are born with, our natural self. A child is not born with any Mind, at first society works really hard to provide him with one and then one toils to strengthen it, then it becomes an autocrat and rules every aspect of one’s personality, taking that person away for one’s Self.
As a result the person becomes so many things, but, can never be. Bliss is not a blessing coming from above, that’s our natural-self.
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Matina Garbotza child is born with some mind – or longing to be here and to accomplish something on this plane – when very young though, they are still timeless in their being – yes in their BEing – they remember all time,these little flowerBEings open up their petals to embrace and expeience the here and now – and with awe they see what is – and thent hey feel the needs of their bodies.they feel joy when the body’s needs are met.they feel pain,when those needs are not met.they have a knowing of what they came here to do – and where they came from……in many it goes,the memory….what was it,….i need this now to make it feel better,to get to what i have to do faster – where is the help and support…what was it?i need to survive,i need a family,i need…..it’s gone.what was it?
yes,it can be society,it can be family,it can be the lazy self,overrun by ego – that makes the wise child forget…..it really is only up to that blessed child within all of us to be heard,to remember…and it is for us to BE,just be in the wise moment of timelesness – no thought -
Rose J Kaur
“To be” is a state of” no mind”. And believe it this is d most difficult thing to do. If you Win ur Ego —u become one with GOD —-no problem is left behind…It is only the ego which disturbs a man and gives birth to all the malices. -
Dalvir Gill @Matina ( I M not saying this because of your European Background. even in India they are not talking about Indian Psychology either )Eastern Psychology have been looking/looks things at not only in a different way, but essentially, it’s polar opposite to the western method.
Western Psychology is not only pathological in its nature, but it restricts its scope to the Mind, whereas this Mind is just a beginning point for the older Eastern people who had been studying many dimensions of it and this Mind being the surface layer of one of the many dimensions, not even ‘in depth’ study of even one dimension.and the real scope lies in the uber-mind ( beyond mind). Any Buddha, like any child doesn’t have any mind { A bodhisattav (someone on the threshold of Buddhahood) has a mind but it’s silent now. }There’s no such thing as clear mind, purified mind. this Mind is the reason of all the negativity. Instincts of a child can’t be called mind, animals show all those instincts, but they never develop any mind as human kids do, even though, animals do have societies, and better than human one/s in more than one way – if not in every, all the ways. -
Dalvir Gill@Dineash, U know perfectly well what r u saying & why r u saying it.
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Matina Garbotzfor me the mind is in and outside of the whole being.mind is the state of being and also doing .mind fullness indicates the being is full of mind – awareness – self aware?
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Dalvir Gill@Jatinder Ji,like already mentioned easy/ hard are just relative terms. What’s hard for one is not more than a snap for the other. Gurbani doesn’t consider this hard, although babas of today preach so.
Bullah says, it’s easy.
Kabir laughs at it. I agree, in the beginning, effort is needed. Mind’s just Ego, upside down, as you said. you don’t need to kill your ego ( otherwise Gurubaba could never have said ego to be the cure along with the deadliest of the chronic diseases ਹਉਮੈ ਦੀਰਘ ਰੋਗੁ ਹੈ ਦਾਰੂ ਭੀ ਇਸੁ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ ) -
Dalvir Gill@Dinesh ONLY ( please don’t mind me 4 asking a little privacy), Yeah, now u said s’tin I’ve no Idea about, but I know the answer to this one, and it goes s’tin like this,”
ai aaha, ai ooho,
ai aaha – eehi – oohu – ehe – aaha
ai aaha – eehi – oohu – ehe – aaha
oh balle, oh balle, oh balle – balle-balle balle……..lalalalalalala -
Dalvir Gill@Matina,
I M not saying that you are not entitled to have your interpretation of mind or its workings. It may be interesting for you to know that Mind called Mn, in sanskrit; ( and they call peace as Amn. ‘A’ sound as a prefix negates the meaning of the word, as it does in the English language as well. ) By its very structure the sound Mn ( Mind) is the very anti-thesis of Peace, that was my reason for saying there is no such thing as ‘clear mind’ or ‘pure mind’. Buddha-hood ( or whatever-hood you wanna call, like Jatinder Ji preferred the phrase ‘one with GOD’ ) is only possible after you have gone beyond. Once there, it’s not that you do right/good things, but, Whatever is done through you can’t go wrong.
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Matina Garbotzthe sanskrit word Mn explains the word “mind”to me – so far it had been an english word for me whose meaning evaded me – i take english too literally or may interpret this language somewhat differently.does this mean,that the word “amen”said after chrisian prayes can be the door to “no mind” – peace?used as a mantra?is the word “aum”energetically similar?
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I believe Amen is a Latin word meaning ‘So Be It’, also used by Arabic and Persian Traditions. ( I M not language-expert, even though I love them. ‘aum’ is not word, just a sound without meaning/s, as Eastern traditions don’t try to explain God/Heaven, they study mind and deal with ‘Now’, whereas for other Religious traditions the most important event is yet to happen in future.
I was actually coining a definition for mn (mind).
Amn (amun) = Peace
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Matina Garbotzi heard Sanskrit is one of the oldest languages and is the basis of many younger ones.” Amen” is Latin,yes – is this word originating from Sanskrit as well?does that indicate that to be at peace(amn) is simply a state of no doubt -“so be it”…”it is so” – the other question arising for me is the quality of “Sound” itself.Sound has vibrations and can create and destroy on this plane and on deeper levels as well.
words are made out of sounds. pronounciation of a word seems to become meaningful and the tone (soundquality) of the voice ,in order to transmit its true meaning and vibration.(?) -
Dalvir Gill
No, the word ‘amen’ doesn’t have its roots in Sanskrit, but the sound is very close to ‘aum’ ( ॐ ).
It is interesting to note that this letter (?) doesn’t appear in Sanskrit text, as a letter. Polarities do exist, there can be no shadow without any light. (It is not far back in the history of Astrophysics that they had to drum out a hypothesis of anti-matter. but, that’s the reality of the matters (ha!) – if there’s matter then there aught to be the other pole= anti-matter! ) Sounds are eternal, words are man-made, we associated the meanings with ’em. you’re absolutely right, in a sense words are meaningless. but! sounds are what can lead us to soundfulness to soundlessness.I cant make up my mind where to go from here, I think in my next post, I will like to explore more about sounds rather than languages ( of what I know nothing about. ) And you are right again, Sanskrit is in a way ‘mother’ to more languages than she is credited for, as she works on sounds. In a way, we can’t call Sanskrit the mother, as it was the synthesis of all the languages of Middle-East, Greater Indian Sub-Continent, the area between and most of the Central-Asia. It’s structured in a way to write down all the sounds and record them under a highly scientific grammar. ( For example the oft used word by Romans for the alien tribes “Barber” also a sanskrit word for a person who doesn’t speak your language. (today we have traveled so far as to ‘barbaric’ murder.) -
Dalvir Gill( Continuing w/ Matina )
There are only 1708 root sounds in Sanskrit and all the words are made out of them. e.g. root sound ‘m’ has given us a word ‘Maya’ ( usually translated as ‘illusion’, and of course meaning more than that ) Matter, Measure in English are derived from it & you’ll find so many parallel words in all the European languages.
Almost 60 % of German, 75% Russian words have their roots in Sanskrit. How much of Old Latin owes to Older Sanskrit is not known.
I’ve made my mind ( talking about No-mind, haha! ), We will talk about SOUNDS in my next post. Shall we ? -
Matina Garbotzwe shall – it is all very exciting.SOUNDS…we can get from there into the
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Matina Garbotzyes,i noticed that…silly,but in the shower i make sounds…the ones that
make me feel good.the shower/church,ok….”amen “and “aum “are two sounds
that i know from those moments of feeling the energy of sound – they are of
the same root,energy
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